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2017-12-05 | 分类:军事 | 评论:2人

What do non-Chinese/Japanese people think of the Nanjing Massacre?

非华人或日本人怎么看待南京大屠杀

【美版知乎quora网贴翻译】

Scarlett Mitchell, Hoarder of knowledge, graphic IT student, latte slinger
Updated Mar 18
Originally Answered: What do non Chinese / Japanese people think of the Nanjing Massacre ?
I am an American. I have never been to Asia.
I have no bias to either country, other than a love of both cultures. Or I didn’t, until I learned about this.
The massacre, aptly named “The Rape of Nanjing” has been called a genocide because it was a slaughter of civilians without any reason–The city had already been captured.

我是美国人,从未去过亚洲。

我对两个国家都没偏见,热爱两国文化。

“南京大屠杀”被称为种族灭绝,毫无理由的情况下屠杀平民,当时这座城市已经被占领。

And not many, but still too many, Japanese people are literally denying any such “conflict”. Everyone else just calls it an exaggeration or demands “proof”. Some of the Japanese do acknowledge it.
You know how, in the Western world, Holocaust deniers cause disgust in the regular population? This is like if the entire country of Germany continued to deny the Holocaust, or called it an exaggeration.

仍有太多日本人否认这种“冲突”,其他人则认为夸大其词,或要求提供“证据”。一些日本人承认。

你知道西方世界里,否认大屠杀会引起普通民众反感吗?这就宛如德国整个国家继续否认大屠杀,或者称其为夸张。

But like, there are also photographs of young corpses with bayonets sticking out of vaginas littered across the city. Women and little girls were systematically raped, household by household, and then murdered. Children’s genitals were sliced open to make rape easier for the Japanese soldiers. A pregnant woman was resisting rape, so she was disemboweled, fetus removed, then raped after death. This is all eyewitness accounts by locals and foreigners, film, photographic, primary source evidence.
And of course the 100 heads contest, which turned into decapitating 150 Chinese civilians.
Who cares if it was 300,000 people or fewer?
The Nanjing Massacre is by far the most fucked up thing Japan has ever done, and they literally have memorialized some of the criminals responsible.
Japan needs to apologize.
It was like Genocide for Fun.

例如,有这样的照片,一些尸体的阴道上插着刺刀,妇女和小姑娘被有组织地强奸,一家一家地,然后被杀害。孩子们的生殖器被割开,让日本兵更容易强奸。一个怀孕的女人拒绝强奸,结果她被解剖移出内脏和胎儿,然后被奸尸。这都是来源于当地人、外国人、影片、照片的目击证据。

当然还有100人头比赛,最终导致150名中国平民被斩首。

谁在乎是30万人还是更少的人呢?

南京大屠杀是日本至今为止做过最混蛋的事情,他们却纪念了一些有责任的罪犯。日本需要道歉。

Edit: What a response…!
Many have noted the culture of shame and honor in Japan, and how admitting to these atrocities/ “apologizing” would be impossible in that context. I see your point.
But an apology? It acknowledges that these things happened. Because currently, the war crimes aren’t really acknowledged. That’s how things get omitted from schools, and textbooks. That’s how Southeast Asians and Koreans and the Chinese stay bitter.
When bad things like this happen, when humans do terrible things to other humans, it must be taught. So it does not happen again. We must learn history, as an example of what not to do.

编辑:

很多人注意到日本的耻辱文化和荣誉文化,在这种背景下,承认暴行或道歉是不可能的。我明白你的观点。

道歉?承认了这些事情的发生。目前,战争罪并未被真正承认。这就是学校和教科书被忽略的部分。所以东南亚人、韩国人和中国人仍处于痛苦中。

当诸如此类的恶行发生,做了坏事就必须接受教育。以避免再犯。必须学习历史,作为前车之鉴。

Don’t bitch that the Chinese gov*nment uses the massacre as propaganda to distract the people and keep them in line. If Japan had apologized, they wouldn’t be able to use it.
It still happened. And more people in Western countries should learn about it. Why not, just because it didn’t happen to us? What about Rwanda? What about the Balkans, Cambodia? The famines in the USSR?
My opinion of Japan has changed drastically. Before, since we fucking nuclear attacked them and somehow have a good relationship now, I respected what I considered a modern and free country. But this totally changed my mind.
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别抱怨中国用大屠杀作为宣传,以此分散人们的注意力,团结一致。如果日本道歉了,他们就没法这样宣传了

西方国家更多的人应该了解这点。难道就因为没发生在我们身上?那卢旺达呢?巴尔干半岛呢?柬埔寨呢?苏联的饥荒呢?

我对日本的看法发生了巨大的改变。之前,我们用核武器轰炸了他们,莫名其妙地现在关系良好。我尊重我所认为的自由现代化的国家。

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William Smith, works at Las Vegas
Answered Jan 4, 2016
Originally Answered: What do non Chinese / Japanese people think of the Nanjing Massacre ?
My close friend married a Japanese woman who was raised in Japan and only came here for college. Whatever she learned about Asian history, she learned in Japan, as American colleges don’t teach Asian history unless you take it as an elective, which she didn’t.
We got to talking about the Rape of Nanking one day and she flat out denied it happened. She said it’s not true and nobody has any proof of it. She was adamant.

我的好朋友和一个日本女人结婚,她在日本长大,在美国上大学。她学到的亚洲历史都是在日本学的,美国大学不教亚洲历史,除非你选修。但她没有。

某天,我们谈到了南京的强奸事件,她极力否认这件事的发生。她说这不是事实,没人证明这件事。她很固执己见。

Now she’s not a Japanese ultranationalist or anything like that, but all she has been taught in school was that Japan was fighting a war of defense and they were helping the other Asian races by protecting them from western aggression.
She wasn’t mad at us. She really thought her husband and I were making up stuff to give her shit about Japan.
I’ve heard of the Japanese textbooks being slanted in their views but that day I saw it first-hand.
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她不是个日本极端民族主义者,她在日本学校所学到的是,日本人打了防御战,他们保护其他亚洲国家免受西方侵略者的伤害。

她没有生我们的气。她真的认为她老公和我在编造故事。

我听说日本教科书上他们的观点是扭曲的,那天我亲眼体会到了。

 

Taiki Fujimoto, lives in Fukuoka, Fukuoka, Japan
Answered Fri
The Nanking Massacre is one of the most terrible thing that Japan did. It can be seen from this why China still demand an apology from Japan for this.
This heinous act is evil and unbelieveable. Raping thousands of women and little girls, mass decapitating, and mass killing until a death toll of 300.000 only to dermolize the Chinese is really unforgivable. I hope Japan apologize and give aid to the victim’s families.
During my visit to China, I also prayed at the Nanking Memorial, making some Chinese watch in surprise. After having some conversation with Them, and told Them about my view, in response They jokingly told me that I must run for Prime Minister.
I hope our government apologizes so that a better China – Japan relations awaits in the future.
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南京大屠杀是日本犯下的最恶劣行径之一。由此可见为何中国仍要求日本为此道歉。

这种十恶不赦的罪行,邪恶又难以置信。强奸成千上万的妇女和小女孩,大规模屠杀达30万,使中国人挫败,这真的不可原谅。我希望日本道歉,向受害者家庭资助。

去中国时,我也在南京纪念碑前祈祷,这让一些中国人感到惊讶。在和他们交谈之后,对他们说了我的观点。他们开玩笑说我一定要竞选首相。

我希望我们的政府道歉,让未来的中日关系更友好。

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  1. 佚名
    Post:2018/05/07 15:57:58

    我们憎恨日本人大多数就是因为他们不对自己做下的恶事道歉,甚至试图掩盖、否认这一切,而且还对那些罪犯保持了崇高的敬意。如果哪天他们能真诚的道歉,中日关系会缓和不少,但我不确定我能不能看到

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