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2017-10-16 | 分类:文化 | 评论:1人

Do the Vietnamese hate the Chinese?

越南人讨厌中国人吗?

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Hoang Nguyen, a Vietnamese guy
Answered Sep 22, 2014
Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese hate the Chinese?
This is misconception.
Vietnamese people doesn’t hate Chinese people, we instead respect their culture, working attitude, kindly supports…
But, we do afraid of Chinese governments, who, in history, started many wars against Vietnam.

原问题:为什么越南人讨厌中国人?这是误解。

越南人不讨厌中国人,我们尊重他们的文化、工作态度、热心帮助……

但我们害怕中国政府,它们在历史上发动了许多对越南的战争。

 

Minh Tri
Answered Sep 18, 2016
When it comes to anything related to China, Vietnamese have complicated and contradictory feeling. Let’s see:
China invaded Vietnam, forced Vietnamese to adopt Chinese culture => HATE
BUT at the same time: Chinese culture is similar to Vietnam, so Vietnamese feel close to Chinese, => LIKE
Chinese are scheming and multifaceted => HATE
BUT at the same time: Vietnamese admire this cunningness and want to be more like that => LIKE

当与涉及到中国相关的东西,越南人就有着复杂矛盾的感觉。就像这样——

中国入侵越南,强迫越南人接受中国文化——讨厌
但同时,中国文化与越南相似,所以越南人觉得与中国人亲近——喜欢

中国人诡计多端——讨厌
同时,越南人欣赏这种狡猾,想变得更狡猾——喜欢

Chinese moved to Vietnam, never wanted to assimilate, instead expected Vietnamese to accomodate them => HATE
BUT at the same time: Vietnamese admire Chinese resilience to cultural assimilation and always say we need to be more like that, especially Vietnamese overseas => LIKE
Chinese are insular and only help their own people in business => HATE
BUT at the same time: Vietnamese say we need to learn more from Chinese solidarity with each other => LIKE
Chinese fake everything => HATE
BUT at the same time: “OMG the Chinese are clever, anything they can do” => LIKE
Chinese are calculative => HATE
BUT at the same time: Vietnamese admire Chinese long vision and culture of strategy and think Vietnamese need to learn from that => LIKE

中国人搬到越南,从未想接受同化,反而期望越南人容纳他们——讨厌
同时,越南人欣赏中国人文化同化的适应力,并总说我们需要更像这样,特别是海外越南人——喜欢

中国人封闭,生意中只帮助自己人——讨厌
同时,越南人说我们需要学习中国的团结——喜欢

中国伪造一切——讨厌
同时,“哦天,中国人好聪明,他们什么都能做”——喜欢

中国人精于计算——讨厌
同时,越南人钦佩中国的长远眼光和战略文化,认为越南人需要学习这一点——喜欢

Vietnamese can have bad sterotypes of Chinese but Vietnamese do recognise Chinese good points as well. Personally I think the Chinese are a very clever group of people. I came to this conclusion after observing and researching their community in Vietnam and in other Southeast Asian countries. They are without a doubt one of the most enterprising and business minded cultures in the world. And I think not just me but this view is quite common amongst Vietnamese. If there is one single common thought that Vietnamese have of Chinese, even the extremely anti-China ones, it would be: the Chinese are clever.

越南人可能对中国有很糟的刻板印象,但越南人的确也承认中国优点。我个人认为中国人是非常聪明的一群人。我在观察和研究了越南和其他东南亚国家的社会后得出了这个结论。他们毫无疑问是世界上最具创业精神和商业头脑的文化之一。我觉得,不只是我,这种观点在越南人中很普遍。如果越南人,甚至是反华的越南人对中国只有一个想法,那将是:中国人是聪明的。

 

Quyen Pham, Been there, done that
Answered Aug 12, 2015
Originally Answered: Do Vietnamese see Chinese as their enemies?
Personally I don’t see Chinese as enemies but for a lot of people around me, China is often regarded as a threat mostly due to negative betrayal of China on the news and social media. Vietnam fought against China for a long time in history, and thus Vietnamese people tend to perceive China as a constant threat rather than a friendly and helpful neighbor. Personally I don’t like nationalism, it makes us hate people we never meet just because they are not from where we are.

原题:越南人将中国人当成敌人吗?

个人而言,我不会把中国人当做敌人,但因为中国媒体和新闻上的负面报道,我周围的人大多数经常将中国视为一个威胁。历史上,越南人与中国打了很久的仗,因此越南人更倾向将中国当成持续的威胁,而不是友善乐于助人的邻居。我个人不喜欢民族主义,它让我们憎恨我们从未见过的人,因为他们离我们不远。

 

Maily Dao, I’m a Vietnamese
Answered Aug 3, 2015
Originally Answered: Do Vietnamese see Chinese as their enemies?
I can not speak for all people of my country, but I’ll share my personal opinion, as a Vietnamese.
I do hate what China has done to Vietnam, to be exact the Chinese government. However as a person, I don’t hate Chinese people, cause most of them seems to be oblivious to what their government has done to their neighboring countries, including Vietnam.
I don’t want to consider Chinese as our enemy, though. And I hope that Chine government doesn’t force us to do that. After all, who wants to fight to the second largest economic power in the world?

我不能代表我国家的所有人,但我可以以越南人身份分享我个人观点。

我的确讨厌中国对越南的所作所为,更切确地说是中国的政府。然而作为一个人,我不讨厌中国人民,他们大多数没注意到他们的政府对邻国的做法,包括越南

不过,我不想将中国视为我们的敌人。我希望中国政府不要强迫我们这么做。毕竟,谁想与世界第二大经济强国作战呢?

 

Anonymous
Answered Sat
I’m going to be honest, this will break many hearts. But when Vietnamese make fun of everything related to China, its almost like hating themselves. I’ll explain why this is.
I’m a Vietnamese from Ho Chi Minh City, I grew up watching Chinese dramas but hating China. I hated every bit of China, calling Chinese people “Chinese dogs”. Basically I used to be one of those angry nationalists on YouTube or Facebook calling for the extermination of China. I REALLY HATED CHINESE, EVERYTHING CHINESE: products, food, anything halfway related to china I would hate.

我要说实话,这会让很多人心碎。但当越南人取笑与中国有关的一切时,这更多像是在增根自己。我将会解释这点。

我是胡志明市人,我看中国电视长大,但讨厌中国。我讨厌中国的每一点,叫中国人为“中国狗”。基本上,我曾是油管或脸书上呼吁消灭中国的愤怒的人之一。我真的很讨厌中国人,中国的一切:产品、食物、任何中国有关的一切我都讨厌。

I was 19 when I first went to China, I was sort of excited but also sort of afraid. I told myself I was afraid because I was going to be in a new place or something like that, but I was really fooling myself, I probably knew at the back of my head that this was going to happen.
I stepped foot in China and wandered around the city, it really felt EXACTLY LIKE HO CHI MINH CITY. The people look similar, the food looks similar, the people act similar, the way people walk and talk looks similar. Everything was similar.

我19岁的时候第一次去中国,我有点兴奋也有点害怕。我告诉自己,我害怕是因为我要去一个新的地方,或者类似的原因。但我真的在欺骗自己,我的脑海中知道会发生什么。

当我踏足中国,漫步城市,真的感觉就像在胡志明市一样。人们相似,食物相似,人们的行为相似,人们走路说话的样子相似。一切都相似。

When I went abroad to Australia, I can usually tell the difference between lets say a korean and a viet or a japanese and a viet or a indonesian and a viet. But no matter how hard I tried i couldn’t find a way to distinguish a viet and a Chinese. Our way of living is really that similar!
I faced a crisis, i realized by hating on China so much I was really hating on Vietnam as well.
This will probably make people mad, and make others want to kill me, but really. The culture difference between VN and CN is basically the difference between two Chinese provinces like Bejing or Guangzhou, Im dead serious.
I really wanted to hate China, I really wanted to continue holding my grudge for the thousand year occupation of my country: The Bac Thuoc. But I simply couldn’t, everything was so similar, down to food, culture, clothing, way of life.

当我去澳大利亚时,我经常能分辨出韩国人和越南人、越南人和日本人,印尼人和越南人的区别。但我无论怎么努力,都无法找到区分越南人和中国人的方法。我们生活的方式真的很相似!

我面临一场危机,我意识到憎恨中国,真的也是憎恨越南。

这可能会让人疯掉,让其他人想杀了我。但真的,越南和中国的文化差异基本上就是北京和广州的差异一样,我认真的。

我真的想恨中国,我真的想继续对占领我国达千年之久的国家保持仇恨,但我不能,一切都很像,食物,文化,衣服,生活方式。

I am now of the opinion that most of Vietnamese culture is originally Chinese in origin, and thus I really can’t hate China. I’m not kidding if Vietnam spoke cantonese we’d basically be a part of China, South China and Vietnam are really really similar.

So I say, most Vietnamese HATE HATE China, but, I can no longer do so, because hating Chinese culture is like hating Vietnam. It sort of halfway broke my heart when I realized this.

我现在的观点是,大多数越南文化都起源于中国,我真的不讨厌中国。我不是在开玩笑,如果越南说广东话,我们基本上是中国的一部分,中国南方和越南真的很相似。

所以我说,大多数越南人讨厌中国,但我不能再这样做了,因为憎恨中国文化就像恨越南。当我意识到这一点的时候,我的心都碎了。

 

Trang Tran
Answered Aug 18, 2016
Of course we do. It’s impossible not to, given our history.
The Vietnamese hate Chinese people in the same way that the Nepalis hate The Indians, or all the Eastern Europeans-Russians. It’s a fact. We, the weak and the marginalised hate the bully. It’s how it is.

我们当然讨厌,鉴于我们的历史,我们不可能不讨厌。

越南人讨厌中国人就像尼泊尔人讨厌印度人一样,或者东欧对俄国人的讨厌。这是事实,我们,弱国与被边缘化的国家讨厌恶霸,就是这样。

this sort of love-hate relationship is a very common phenomenon all around the globe. The submissive one absorbed too much cultural value and philosophical ideals from the provocateur that they feel threatened of losing their identity. The Vietnamese try incessantly to prove that they are unique and so much different from the Chinese, and by unique and different, what they are truly telling is the claim of their indepence, historically and culturally. But of course they can’t. Vietnam resembles a great deal of China. The fact is too cruel to comprehend, let alone recognize it as an essential part of national identity design. and the more we strive to shrug it off, the more of that hatred is haboured in the society.

这种爱恨关系在全世界都是普遍的。顺从的人从煽动者那里吸收了太多文化价值和哲学思想,他们觉得自己受到了失去身份的威胁。越南人不断地想证明他们是独一无二的,与中国人有很大不同,他们真正讲的是他们的独立、历史和文化的主张。但当然了,他们不能。越南和中国太像了。这一事实残酷到无法理解。更别说它是国家身份形象必不可少的一部分。我们越是努力不去在乎,社会上的仇恨就越多。

Yet we are heavily influenced, it is impossible to disconnect ourselves and refute all of what helped make us who we are. We aspire the enormous collection of Chinese civilization and study them wholeheartedly, as if we are rediscovering ourselves. a Vietnamese may find Chinese philosophy much more agreeable than Western ideals precisely because it relates more to the values and traditions that she holds and beholds. The same thing happened in other social activities, such as religion practice or the taste in art and fashioN (though given by the exponential popularity of American culture, this is changing)
well then, so of course we hate the Chinese, at the same time we get intrigued and secretly admire them

然而我们深受影响,不可能摆脱自己,并驳倒所有让我们成就自己的人。我们渴望中华文明的巨大合集,全心全意研究它们,就像我们在重新发现自己一样。一个越南人可能会发现中国哲学比西方思想更令人愉悦,因为它更接近她所持有并目睹的价值和传统。在其他社会活动中也发生着相同的事情,例如宗教实践,艺术品味、时尚(尽管美国文化受欢迎,这种情况正在改变。)

好了,我们当然讨厌中国人,同时我们也对他们感到好奇,偷偷崇拜他们。

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  1. 长河
    Post:2018/02/18 13:09:38

    我想去越南玩,但看到越南的关口因中国人不给小费而被爆打,我害怕了.

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